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`Honorable Kymberly K. Evanson
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`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON
`AT SEATTLE
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`STEVEN FLOYD, et al., individually and on
`behalf of all other similarly situated,
`Plaintiff,
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`v.
`AMAZON.COM INC. and APPLE INC.,
`Defendants.
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`Case No. 2:22-cv-01599 KKE
`DECLARATION OF BRIAN G.
`LIEGEL IN SUPPORT OF
`DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO
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`LIEGEL DECLARATION ISO MOTION TO COMPEL
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`I, Brian G. Liegel, declare as follows:
`1.
`I am an attorney licensed to practice in the State of Florida, and am appearing in this Court
`pro hac vice. I am counsel at the law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP, and counsel of record
`for Defendant Apple Inc. (“Apple”) in this case. I submit this declaration in support of Defendants’
`accompanying Motion to Compel Production of Documents Improperly Withheld As Privileged.
`2.
`Attached as Exhibit A is a true and correct copy of Plaintiffs’ counsel’s amended
`“Communications Log” provided to Defendants on November 27, 2024 via email, which purports
`to list all communications to or from Mr. Floyd from when Defendants’ discovery requests first
`propounded in September 2023 to November 5, 2024. Plaintiffs’ counsel shared the original
`Communications Log with Defendants on November 15 in response to this Court’s Order. See
`Dkt. 168 at 3. After the parties meet and confer, see Liegel Decl. ¶ 5 and Ex. D, Plaintiffs’ counsel
`provided Defendants with an amended log, which is referenced herein and in the Motion to Compel.
`3.
`Attached as Exhibit B is a true and correct copy of the April 30, 2024, hearing transcript on
`Plaintiffs’ Motion to Amend, filed February 29, 2024. See Dkt. 96; Dkt. 80.
`4.
`Attached as Exhibit C is a true and correct copy of the November 5, 2024, hearing transcript
`on Plaintiffs’ counsel’s Motion to Withdraw, filed September 13, 2024. See Dkt. 166; Dkt. 142.
`5.
`Attached as Exhibit D is a true and correct copy of a November 2024 email chain between
`Defendants and Plaintiffs’ counsel regarding the parties’ meet and confer on November 21 and
`Plaintiffs’ counsel’s amended “Communications Log,” which makes changes to lines 39 and 63.
`See Ex. D at 1.
`6.
`Attached as Exhibit E is a true and correct copy of a January 24, 2024 email in which
`Plaintiffs’ counsel begin solicitation of new class representatives following Mr. Floyd’s January
`16 communications. See also Dkt. 81, ¶ 3. Exhibit E was produced using the UTC time zone.
`00:23:06 UTC on January 25, 2024 corresponds to 4:23pm PT on January 24, 2024.
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`I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed this 2nd
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`day of December, 2024 in Miami, Florida.
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`/s/ Brian G. Liegel
`WEIL, GOTSHAL & MANGES LLP
`Brian G. Liegel (Pro Hac Vice)
`1395 Brickell Avenue, Suite 1200
`Miami, FL 33131
` Telephone: +1 305 577 3180
`brian.liegel@weil.com
`Attorney for Apple Inc.
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`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON AT SEATTLE
`_____________________________________________________________
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`CASE NO. C22-01599-KKE
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`Seattle, Washington
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`April 30, 2024
`10:00 a.m.
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`DISCOVERY CONFERENCE
`and MOTION TO AMEND
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`via Zoom
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`STEVEN FLOYD,
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`v.
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`Plaintiff,
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`AMAZON.COM, INC., et al.,
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`Defendants.
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`VERBATIM REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS
`BEFORE THE HONORABLE KYMBERLY K. EVANSON
`UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
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`APPEARANCES:
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`For Plaintiff Floyd:
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`For Defendant
`Amazon.com Inc.:
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`STEVE W. BERMAN
`Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro LLP
`1301 Second Avenue, Suite 2000
`Seattle, WA 98101
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`BENJAMIN SIEGEL
`BEN HARRINGTON
`Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro LLP
`715 Hearst Avenue, Suite 300
`Berkeley, CA 94710
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`JOHN GOLDMARK
`Davis Wright Tremaine
`920 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3300
`Seattle, WA 98104
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`BENJAMIN M. MUNDEL
`Sidley Austin
`1501 K Street NW, Suite 600
`Washington, DC 20005
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`Proceedings recorded by mechanical stenography; transcript produced with aid of computer
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`For Defendant
`Apple, Inc.:
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`ERIC SHAUN HOCHSTADT
`Weil Gotshal & Manges
`767 5th Avenue
`New York, NY 10153
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`BRIAN LIEGEL
`Weil Gotshal & Manges LLP
`1395 Brickwell Avenue, Suite 1200
`Miami, FL 33131
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`MARK STEVEN PARRIS
`Orrick Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP
`401 Union Street, Suite 3300
`Seattle, WA 98101
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`Reported by:
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`NANCY L. BAUER, CCR, RPR
`Federal Court Reporter
`700 Stewart Street, Suite 17205
`Seattle, WA 98101
`nancy_bauer@wawd.uscourts.gov
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`THE CLERK: Please come to attention.
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`The United States District Court for the Western District
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`of Washington is now in session, the Honorable Judge Kymberly K.
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`Evanson presiding.
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`Now calling Case C22-01599, assigned to this court, Floyd
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`versus Amazon.com, Incorporated.
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`May I have appearances, please.
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`MR. BERMAN: Good morning, Your Honor. Steve Berman
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`on behalf of the plaintiffs.
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`MR. HARRINGTON: Good morning, Your Honor. Ben
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`Harrington on behalf of the plaintiffs.
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`MR. GOLDMARK: Good morning, Your Honor. On behalf of
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`Amazon, John Goldmark, with Davis Wright Tremaine, and also
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`joining, we have Ben Mundel and Jon Dugan from Sidley, and then
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`for the client representatives, in-house counsel, Scott
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`Fitzgerald and Carolyn Jones.
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`MR. PARRIS: Good morning, Your Honor. Mark Parris on
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`behalf of Apple, together with me is Eric Hochstadt, Mark Perry,
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`Geneva Hardesty, Brian Liegel from Weil Gotshal, and in-house
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`representatives Javier Ortega-Alvarez and Justin Coggins. Thank
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`THE COURT: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for
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`making yourselves available this morning on Zoom. We have
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`several matters pending, and I want to start with the couple of
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`housekeeping issues. I'm not sure who is going to be presenting
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`argument for the court this morning, but when you do, because we
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`do have so many people on the line, it's a little harder to keep
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`track of who is who than when we're actually standing in the
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`courtroom, so if you could please just identify the party for
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`whom you're speaking, that will help me and the court reporter.
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`So we have several motions and disputes pending before us
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`this morning, and I think it makes the most sense for us to
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`start with the motion to amend.
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`Plaintiffs have asked to amend based on losing contact with
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`their named plaintiff. And so I will hear from the plaintiff on
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`that. And then we can transition into talking about some of
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`these discovery disputes, as well as case scheduling as a whole
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`and how we can move this matter forward.
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`So it is your motion, plaintiffs, so I will go ahead and
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`begin hearing from the plaintiffs on the motion to amend.
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`MR. BERMAN: Your Honor, may it please the court,
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`Steve Berman on behalf of the plaintiffs.
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`As you noted, this is a motion to amend. The standards for
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`amendment are extraordinarily liberal, and the circumstances
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`here are not unique, that we lost track of a class
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`representative. Courts, in these circumstances, have freely
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`allowed amendment, certainly at this early stage.
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`We've cited to you four instances where this has come up in
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`the Western District of Washington. Interestingly, four
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`different judges all reached the same conclusion that allowing
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`substitution of class representatives was appropriate.
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`And in the Kirby case, Judge Settle, kind of, addressed
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`what the defendants are doing here, which is attack the adequacy
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`Settle found that that's a Rule 23 issue, not a Rule 15 issue.
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`And we submit that those cases are properly decided and are
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`instructive. They're, obviously, not binding of you. And
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`defendants have no way of distinguishing those cases.
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`So what they've done, Your Honor, is they've cited a case
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`case is a 50-year-old case. We tried to find the briefs to see
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`what was really going on in that case, and as far as we could
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`tell, the posture of that case was such that class certification
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`had already been decided, and the plaintiffs tried to add a new
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`class representative. The defendants pointed out that that
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`class representative was not in the class. So at that stage, I
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`fully understand why the court was dealing with it. We're not
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`at that stage.
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`And, in fact, there's a case called Briggs v. Pace
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`American. It's a Ninth Circuit case where the court held it was
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`reversible error not to allow recertification of substitution.
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`So under Rule 15, given the liberal standards and given
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`grant our motion.
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`And, really, I think it's pretty clear from the briefs, and
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`so unless you have any questions, I have nothing further to say
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`THE COURT: Thank you, counsel.
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`I'll go ahead and hear from defendants on this issue,
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`MR. HOCHSTADT: Good morning, Your Honor. Eric
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`Hochstadt, of Weil, for Apple. I'll be addressing, for both
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`defendants, why this motion to amend should be denied.
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`The motion filed by plaintiff's counsel and not the
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`plaintiff in this chase should be denied on this record, Your
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`Honor, because the sole named plaintiff, Steven Floyd, has
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`absconded from a case that he was never qualified to bring.
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`I'd like to make three simple points, Your Honor.
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`First is, this isn't an ordinary motion. Most basic rule
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`of litigation requires an actual case or controversy between the
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`actual plaintiff and the actual defendants, not plaintiff's
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`counsel and the defendants.
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`Circuit, and Lidie is the controlling test -- there's no dispute
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`between that on the parties for a pre-class certification
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`amendment -- the motion filed by plaintiff's counsel fails
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`process and prove up his allegations.
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`And even if you can get around -- if plaintiff's counsel
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`can get around the controlling Ninth Circuit test, they still
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`have to satisfy the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which
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`Mr. Berman didn't address at all. And under the Federal Rules
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`There's no good cause for a second amendment in this case.
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`And even if Your Honor were to apply the Rule 15 factors,
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`plaintiff's counsel's long delay of over a year, the clear
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`prejudice to defendants, no prejudice to Mr. Floyd, who can
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`continue with the case if he chooses to do so, and the motion
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`that I'll get to, Your Honor, respectfully, doesn't meet the
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`good-faith test that's required as part of the factors, on this
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`record, should be denied.
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`So if I may, Your Honor, just to, sort of, start, in
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`terms of -- there were a lot of references in the briefing,
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`including in Mr. Berman's presentation, that, you know, it's a
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`liberal standard in terms of amendment, you know, and this is
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`This is not a motion to withdraw Mr. Floyd. It's not a
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`motion to substitute Mr. Floyd. This is a motion to amend the
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`operative pleading a second time, with Mr. Floyd, apparently,
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`continuing as the lead plaintiff, and they proposed two other
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`Neither the defendants nor this court has any indication,
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`on this report record, if plaintiff's counsel has informed
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`Mr. Floyd, in any way, about the filings that have been made in
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`this case. On this record, we do not know if Mr. Floyd has been
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`sent, seen, reviewed any of the filings, including a proposed
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`pleading that he's supposed to be making allegations on and be
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`So as far as we know on this record, Your Honor, before the
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`court, for three and a half months there's been no contact.
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`And I was curious if, before this argument, there would be
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`the like. I'm sure they know where he is. We know where he is,
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`from his public Facebook account. We've heard nothing on this
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`record, Your Honor. And that really puts this case -- I'll get
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`to -- really far afield from Kirby and all the other cases that
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`So right now, as Your Honor knows, we have an individual
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`suit between Mr. Floyd and Apple and Amazon with proposed class
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`allegations. And as Your Honor knows, putative class claims
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`before certification are very different than once a class is
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`certified. For example, Your Honor knows Federal Rule of Civil
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`Procedure 23 would allow resolution of an individual cl